Another August, 2002 update - The 3rd member of the Hall! When it rains, it pours, and the nincompoops all seem to come out of the woodwork at the same time. This one and her husband developed an attitude after the scatterbrain sent me a money order payable to someone else, and I told her for the second time what the deal would be after she demanded that I send it back to her - As I said, the mistaken money order will go in your box after you have paid for your merchandise, until then it will remain here Pretty simple, right? After you pay, you get your mistake back along with your stuff. Well, she doesn't get it - I can not come up with a single possible way you benefit by holding onto a money order that does not have anything to do with you. It is not like you can cash it....at least not legally. Do you expect me to trust you to send it back to me when you are showing these ethics? God help you if you make a mistake and need someone's help [no, you idiot, when I make a mistake, I explain what happened and offer to pay any cost involved to the other party, and then promptly do so]. Do you know that the only reason I have your money order here is because [redacted] was nice enough to mail it back after realizing it was not hers? If not for her I would still not know that they got mixed up, since you did not bother to email me about it [yeah, right, I've got nothing better to do than clue some twit in, when it was obvious that she would figure it out eventually]. If you did not know what it was for you could have dropped me a line and asked. If nothing else you had my home address. What do you do when you get someone else's mail in your mail box? Send it back or keep it for ransom? You can have the money order....it has been canceled. [this probable outright lie comes up later] You can have the doll too. I no longer want to do business with you. Do I detect a note of paranoia? Benefit to me? Ransom? Jeeeez, time to try to drag her back to reality with a few facts - >I can not come up with a single possible way you >benefit by holding onto a money order that does not >have anything to do with you Let me spell it out for you, as you seem to be having trouble ascertaining the blatantly obvious It means that I don't waste postage, or more importantly, my time, on a problem YOU caused and which YOU are solely responsible for remedying I know it will come as a shock to you, but you are in no position to DEMAND, as you did, that I mail your mistake back to you You have already been informed that it would be sent along with your merchandise after you pay for your merchandise >You can have the doll too. I >no longer want to do business with you. Well, that's nice that you think you can just make up your own rules as you go along, but you either satisfy your obligation by paying for your merchandise or I will file a non-payment complaint with Yahoo, and they will deal with you according to their rules I suggest you read them That ought to do it, but, apparently not - Well you file your complaint with Yahoo...And we will file our complaint with the proper authorities. You are withholding [sic] a money order Illegally [oh, my God, I have a hostage, you coppers better back off, or the money order gets it!]. It does NOT have your name on it [absolutely true, which raises the question of why this loon thinks it would be cashed]. obviously you are not a very respectable person. < snip boring rant > You seam [sic] to think it is your responsibility to teach us a lesson or something [blind squirrel finds nut]. You are not of good faith...You are whining about the 37cents for postage[sic]..then in my opinion you are a gold digger [!]. < snip more repetitious ranting > Well, obviously that didn't work, so I try again, this time with easy to follow numbers - >we will file our complaint with the proper authorities. >You are withholding a money order Illegally. It does NOT >have your name on it Without a doubt, your ludicrous statements comprise one of the funniest and most ridiculous snippets ever to appear in my in-box After the "authorities" finish snickering and send you on your deluded way, perhaps you'll try to comprehend reality - 1) Whether you bothered to read them or not, under Yahoo's auction rules you are legally obligated to pay for your merchandise 2) Thusfar, you have sent only a defective form of payment, which has the same effect as sending nothing at all, a fact which you admit 3) Whether anyone else chooses to spend any of their time and/or money taking care of your obligations is of no consequence to this transaction 4) My choice not to spend any of my time and/or money taking care of your obligations isn't subject in any way to your determination or demand 5) I would have been entirely within my rights to destroy the money order, but I offered to include it with your merchandise after you paid for same 6) My offer was strictly a courtesy, and whether or not the money order is ever returned to you is of no consequence to me, legally or otherwise 7) If you fail to pay for your merchandise, a non-payment complaint will be lodged by me with Yahoo 8) A non-payment complaint, if ultimately unresolved by you, may result in your Yahoo auction priviledges being suspended or revoked Please govern yourself accordingly Which also apparently didn't work, as you can see - IN my opinion you are a bitter old person [!]. If what you do makes you so bitter you should not be doing it. I took the liberty to read your "About Me" page. If [apparently "my wife" or "my impenetrably stupid wife", or something along that line is missing here] would have read this before she started bidding [I know, it's a shocking concept that someone should actually read a listing before bidding] on these dolls, she would have never been bidding on yours. She is new at this.not that it is a [sic] excuse [blind squirrel finds another nut], but I have been around the block a few times.. And from the statements you make on the page. You make yourself sound bitter, swindler [!] < snip meaningless blather > I don't feel comfortable sending a person two checks. Hell why don't I just send you cash...lol like that is going to happen. [one payment, two payments, 100 payments, cash, money order or whatever, he doesn't seem to realize that he's always at the mercy of any seller] Under Yahoo auction rules...we have a legitiment [sic - spelling and mistaken conclusion] reason for not being obligated to your auction now. You do not seam [sic] to be trustworthy..You seam [sic] to have a lot of negative feed-back on you..And you post more negative fee-back [sic] to it. < snip boring blather about posting my comments > Well, nothing seems to get through to these nitwits, but I'm smelling yet another Hall of Famer, so I try one more time, with gusto - Tell me, are you the local chapter president of Simpletons-R-Us? If you aren't, it's certainly not because you lack the qualifications, and I cite the drivel contained in your last e-mail as proof beyond all doubt While the fact that you're paranoid doesn't mean somebody isn't out to get you, believe it or not, most people don't routinely cash instruments which aren't payable to them Perhaps they do in whatever fantasy world you live in Is there any chance that you will ever comprehend the concept that deadbeats and other assorted crackpots leave retaliatory feedback when called on the carpet for their failure to perform, something I routinely do, unlike many sellers who are too afraid to leave negatives because they will probably get an unjustified retaliatory negative? I doubt it, but then you are the proud posessor of exactly one feedback, which is the negative I just left you after starting the Yahoo non-payment complaint process because you have again refused to pay for your merchandise Can you fathom the idea that a thousand positive feedbacks on Yahoo and a couple of thousand more on eBay might not be good indicia of a "swindler"? Not likely, you seem to be without active powers of logic or reasoning Can you comprehend the fact that my terms exist because of all of the idiotic things done by people like you, such as not paying even the minimal attention required to put a payment in the correct envelope and then having the unmitigated gall to demand that I do anything about it? Probably not While you are without question one of the most clueless bidders I have ever had the displeasure of dealing with, you are, however, very good at one thing, and that's making a complete and utter fool of yourself - >I have posted your letters and ours so other bidders >can see how you handle things, and see your rudeness While I have no problem whatsoever with you "posting" any of my comments verbatim anywhere you may wish, I will warn you to refrain from making any public statements of a libelous nature, and further that if I ever discover any such comments they will be brought immediately to the attention of Yahoo and your internet service provider Well, that prompted these two dolts to start gang-mailing me, each apparently not knowing what the other was doing, and a tiny glimmer of hope emerged - [this is the husband, who apparently was absent the day they covered the use of paragraphs] If you are such a person above all others (who, must be perfect and always pays more than minimal attention) then why did you automatically put me in your "dead beat" category after I contacted you < snip long, boring, repetitious, incoherent ranting, all still part of the same incredibly long paragraph > I only set up that account to use it one time and am through with it [yeah, right, that must be why they almost immediately responded to my negative, these people just can't seem to stop lying] now any way [sic]. < snip more boring self-serving drivel > my ethics are way above slander [sic]. I only tell the truth!! [as the pile of lies gets higher] < snip balance of blather > [followed by the wife, who apparently has a better grasp of the benefits of brevity] I am going to ask you one more time [yet another outright falsehood, she never at any previous point asked or offered anything, if she had, we wouldn't be having this discussion]....If I send you a self addressed stamped envelope will you mail me the money order back? If so I will not file a criminal complaint. I have already spoken to the Dade county authorities [wow, I know I'm certainly quaking in my boots] [followed by the goof-ball husband again, who apparently can't bear to miss a chance to rant] Honest people do not hold money, "Instruments", or any other goods that do not belong to them. [ahh, they do if an incompetent idiot sends them and then demands their return] < snip lame attempt at repartee > Threatening will get you nowhere..[he seems to be totally unaware that his lovely wife Bruno is the one making ludicrous threats] If you would like to settle this, we will send you a self addressed envelope. [amazing, I seem to have gotten through to him, too] Then you can return the money order that is not yours. [the way he tells it, you would think I traveled 2,000 miles and stole it from this clown at gunpoint] Upon receive [sic] of it, we will send the proper one to you. [it remains to be seen whether this is yet another lie or not] < snip useless garbage > You can slander [sic] all you want [of course, I have libeled no one and my warning to him about libel in his "postings" appears to gone in one ear and out the other without hitting anything]. From what I have seen you would rather slander [sic] then work things out..< snip balance of boring, imbecilic comments > Well now, we're finally apparently getting somewhere with both of these mental midgets, so I tee up the coup de grace - >send you a self addressed stamped envelope I'm shocked, I tell ya, absolutely shocked Could it be that you finally get it? Could it be that you have finally come to the realization that it is your responsibility to remedy the problem that you created by your failure to pay attention? Could it be that you realize that you were in no position to demand that I unilaterally do anything about your mistake and that you should have volunteered to pay for retrieving your mistake in the first place? While you're at it, you can save yourself some time and trouble by including your payment for your merchandise along with your self-addressed-stamped envelope, and guess what? You'll get your mistake, your merchandise and your envelope all back in the very same box! I know, I know, that's an absolutely amazing concept, perhaps even stupifying, but please try to wrap your mind around it As for your ridiculous threats, save 'em for someone who doesn't know that you're lying I know for a fact that ten years ago Butch Reno's Dade County State Attorney's office wouldn't even accept a bad check case, which was an actual crime as opposed to your delusional fantasy, if it wasn't for more than $500 I know that because I was the one holding the bad paper, so, the next time you make up a story about a $22 money order, try to make it a little less laughable Oh, but wait, I forgot, you already claimed that your mistake has been "canceled", so why are you wasting your time making up stories about a worthless piece of paper? Or was that a lie, too? And, you should really think twice about trying to get the local constabulary to chase the baseless and paranoid delusions of a scatterbrain, they are generally not pleased by people who abuse their time In any case, your funny stories notwithstanding, now that some semblance of reality seems to have seeped into your apparently otherwise empty skull, be a good girl, stop stomping your little foot, and perform your obligation by paying for your merchandise Update Alas, it didn't work. This poor twit actually sent only a stamped envelope to recover her precious "canceled" money order, and I dumped it in the mail to her, figuring I'd wait about two weeks or so to see if these liars would perform as promised, and I quote - Upon receive [sic] of it, we will send the proper one to you A week or so later, I find that the simpering fool actually wasted her time blathering on ad neaseum to the Better Business Bureau of Southeast Florida, apparently in the mistaken belief that it would be of the slightest concern to me and/or that they are somehow able to cause anything to happen other than the fattening of their files with baloney from crackpots. Now, I'd reproduce her disjointed, illiterate ramblings here, but they're just a rehash of her previous feeble attempts to use the English language to communicate and it's simply not worth the trouble of transcribing the hard copy. Well, on second thought, I will note the 8 misspellings and grammatical errors in a mere 39 lines of wild, ridiculous accusations, as she once again demonstrated the wonders which the Nashunul Edumakashin Axoseeashin is capable of achieving when one of their fine products puts finger to keyboard. However, she did have this to say to the BBB, apparently ignorant (I know, surprise, surprise) of the fact that they routinely forward a complete copy of the "complaint" to the alleged miscreant - I will not be purchasing her doll even though I was a [sic] winning bidder Or, perhaps due to her child-like mental abilities, she just forgot that she had already lied to me about her intentions. In any case, could this serial prevaricator have been any more predictable? I doubt it, and, after responding to the BBB - Dear [redacted]: Re: Your case #[redacted] The trevails of this blithering moron are memorialized on my site, as she is the third member of Donna's Clueless Bidder Hall of Fame The hilarious details can be accessed directly at http://d-g.com/clueless/clueless.htm, or from the link on the main page at d-g.com Nothing further needs to be said about the laughable tripe she calls a "complaint" I just had to send a little note of appreciation to the miserable little liar, who has now exhibited all the signs of having done way too much spray painting in an improperly ventilated area - You have truly outdone yourself with your pitiful rant to the BBB I didn't think it possible that your stunning stupidity could continue uninterrupted after having simple facts explained to you in language which should have been intelligible even to someone with your obviously severely impaired powers of comprehension, but you did it However, it was useful to the extent that you conclusively proved yourself to be a liar, as your earlier assurance to me - >Upon receive [sic] of it, we will send the proper one to you was obviously a blatant lie, as evidenced by your statement to the BBB - >I will not be purchasing her doll even though I was a [sic] winning bidder For your future reference, the BBB isn't the business police of your delusions, they're a voluntary association with no power to do diddly-squat about anything whatever All you have accomplished is to expand their file of junk from know-nothing lunatics and loons who don't have even the foggiest notion about the legalities of anything And, after reading the pertinent details in my Clueless Bidder Hall of Fame, the BBB won't give any more of a rat's patootie about you and your idiotic raving than I do Perform your obligation, liar, even the utter and abject stupidity you have repeatedly demonstrated isn't a valid excuse Now, while I wait for the liar to cough up the dough, perhaps a thin sheet of ice will form in Hades Update Shocking - this rocket scientist, apparently shamed by her own duplicity, now says she'll pay for her item. But, of course, nothing, not even pathetically simple things which would be obvious to the average child, is simple with this particular moron, as she also says - if you have not relisted it Incredible. The paranoia must be at least 10 feet deep on whichever planet this nitwit is resident. Perhaps the shock of discovering that I didn't cash her precious "canceled" money order prevented her from understanding that my repeated demands for payment weren't because I had otherwise disposed of her merchandise. So, I tried one more time - >If you have not relisted it Ahhh, I wouldn't have made repeated demands for payment, including the most recent one just two days ago, if your item wasn't available Perform your obligation by paying for your merchandise and I will then ship it to you Hopefully that part about "I will then ship it to you" will work, as this has gotten to be a bit tiresome now that the volume of her inanities has decreased dramatically, seriously diminishing her further comedic value. Update Apparently I embarrassed this lying cretin into finally coughing up the money order, and I sent the merchandise which would have been sent weeks prior had her ability to read and reason been greater than that of the average 10 year-old. Of couse, the paranoid idiot who accused me of being a "gold digger" and a "swindler" and thought I was after her mistaken money order, yes, the very same blithering moron who is entirely and solely the cause of all of her problems and who got her stuff and made no complaint about it, just couldn't resist the temptation to burp up one last inanity, in the form of this feedback gem - in a nutshell:nasty person to deal with.Has little [sic] moral values.Has no business dealing with the public.She thinks she is above everyone else. Somehow it seems that it would have been more appropriate to have begun her little screed with "in a nuthouse" or "from the nuthouse" and it may be more than merely slightly likely that such a preface may someday be required. And, apparently this master of mental convolution didn't realize that she could have rambled on without limit on Yahoo! feedback (255 characters per comment block, but you can make an unlimited number of comments regarding any given auction) and therefore capsulized the ridiculous results of her defective thought processes, probably saving herself no small amount of additional public embarrassment. In any case, moral judgements made by serial liars being the height of hypocrisy, and the fact that probably nearly everyone on the planet is "above" this pitiful excuse for a bidder in most, if not all respects, her bloviation merited a rejoinder directing anyone interested in the facts to the very shrine to severely defective bidders which you are now reading - Read the hilarious story of the idiocy of this documented liar and paranoid loon at D-G.COM/CLUELESS/CLUELESS.HTM, where the above tripe and other funny spewage from the 3rd member of my Clueless Bidder Hall of Fame is dissected and demolished in detail With any luck at all, she has made her last contribution of material to the Hall as her proverbial horse isn't just dead, it has been beaten far beyond any possibility of recognition, and her truly insipid saga is at an end. Minor, and final update on these (self-proclaimed "moral") liars - Readers will recall that they earlier made the statement "I only set up that account to use it one time and am through with it" and then immediately put the lie to that by responding to my negative, and then later left me my very own special gem of a negative. They have now removed any remaining possible doubt that they were lying by apparently whining sufficiently loudly to Yahoo! to cause Yahoo! to remove all feedback in both directions. And the source of much amusement has slipped quietly back into the mists of lunatic, paranoid, delusional cluelessness. Good riddance.